The Backlash! - October 1997

Email to the Editor

Warren Farrell

To: President of Simon and Schuster
From: Ken Wiebe, Party Leader, British Columbia Libertarian Party
Subject: Dr. Warren Farrell

I was very disappointed to hear you are not going to publish Dr. Farrell's next book. His last book was very well received here in Canada, and Dr. Farrell is well-known in my city (Victoria BC). Two months ago, Dr. Farrell was invited to a conference in Victoria along with Senator Anne C. Cools, and that conference was very well attended. I can assure you that there is a great demand for Dr. Farrell's next book.

As a politically-active person, I found his last book to be very well-written and informative on a number of topics of great importance to today's society. In particular, I have noticed that large numbers of fathers are becoming politically active and most take their political inspiration from Dr. Farrell. I myself crib freely from his books for speech material during elections.

I encourage you to publish Dr. Farrell's next book, his is the voice of reason in a society that seems to be increasingly hostile towards men for no apparent good reason.

Where to Start?

Debra - I've been perusing the letters and am totally amazed! I didn't realize there were so many pathetic men out there crying "Victim, I'm a victim!" Get over it. You're still in charge but slowing losing control day by day. How does it feel? Not too great, is it?
Let's see, most of the control is held by a bit more than 2% of the male population, the rest by a bit more than half the female population, has been since early this century, and you're asking me, an American Indian male how it feels to be slowly losing control (as in, control in the sense of power)? I don't know, how does it feel to be a bigot?
Just because I don't appreciate those men -- whether Black, White, Native American or Asian -- who think all women should be relegated to those roles that men do not want does not make me a bigot. Anyone who feels that a person's sex should limit their choices in life is just plain wrong. Put a label on it, since you feel you need to label everything and everyone (feminazi, bigot).
Okay, so you do not (1) assume most men ever were in power, and (2) you do not jump to the conclusion that anyone who does not "yes mistress" to every misandristic utterance is by definition a misogynist? Glad to hear it. :)

However, how seriously would you take a man who blames you because he is anatomically incapable of getting pregnant? My choices are limited because I'm a man. Is that your fault? No. Would you take me seriously if I blamed you? No? Nor should you. And I gather you do not automatically oppose every man who asserts there should be certain restrictions on women's behaviors.

Next Oprah, women who claim men have no right to restrict a woman's right to murder men. ;-)

What exactly is your definition of "control"? If you mean "money," that may be right. But who actually determines how that money is used? The women you're talking about are older, and don't have the experience or -- just as importantly --the confidence to actually "control" the money. Male financial advisors, lawyers and their ilk are really running the show.
Who actually determines how money is used? In 1963 Betty Friedan noted that as early as 1947 American manufacturers recognized that women control 70+% of consumer spending.

That's consumer spending. But what about money spent by manufacturers? Manufacturers are driven by consumer markets, and women dominate spending in the consumer markets. What about political spending? As Naomi Wolf noted in "Fire with Fire," women voters have outnumbered men voters by a huge margin for decades. Who do they vote into office? Packwood. Among others. Point is, the MEN who control the political budgets represent their constituents, and most of their constituents are women.

Who controls the spending? In most arenas, women or their elected representatives. Talk about things that make you go, hmmm.

What about the "male financial advisors"? Interesting you should mention that. In a 1989 issue of Savvy magazine, a highly placed female financial advisors remarked how much easier women in her profession have it than men, because, whether the client is male or female, they tend to distrust men and trust women.

Moreover, I am surprised at your condescending attitude toward older women. They "don't have the experience or -- just as importantly --the confidence to actually 'control' the money"? Don't let my mother hear you say that. In my family, as with many others (according to Cynthia S. Smith in one of her more misandristic books, "Why Women Should Not Marry"), it's the women who control the money.

To those who complain that there are courses on women in history, but not men: Attend any mainstream class and it's dominated profiles of men. Specialized courses were designed to include those left out by the white male writers of history books.
I did not know all history books were written by white men. But then, perhaps my library is more extensive than yours.

Regardless, it would be more accurate to describe the kind of mainstream classes you refer to as "training men to protect, support and serve women." Upon reflection, however, I would have to say this is not as applicable as it was 20 or even 10 years ago.

More recently, men have been learning how to not protect, support and serve women. Something to do with the pop feminist interpretation of liberation and equality, which seems to be that women and men should not protect, support and serve the opposite sex.

Strange people, these humans. ;-)

Feminazi: I believe Rush Gasbag originally coined this term to refer to women who are trying to cause as many abortions as possible, not just anyone you feel is a little radical. Would it be fair to call you and many of your followers "mascu-nazis"? If the shoe fits . . .
To quote from "The American President," "Seldom a day goes by that I am not burned in effigy." Use any name you like to describe me or anyone who agrees with or appreciates the thoughts I have to share. What matters is the truth we discover along the way.
Feminist: A perfectly good word that 99% of American women would label themselves if they read the definition in the dictionary. Too bad SOME people had to distort it.
You don't like my definition? "FEMINIST - A person who advocates or supports equal rights and responsibilities for women." Oh, my!
I'd like to write a little more, but I've only convinced 10 women this week to have abortions, and if I don't get a move on, I'll fall behind in my quota. I may just have to find some victim, force him to get me pregnant, and then have an abortion. (You know, I bet some of your little buddies will actually think I'm serious!)

Writing to you guys is a real hoot!

Princess Diana

Jade - Thanks for writing what has to be one of the most even-handed, considerate obituaries for Princess Diana. You managed to celebrate the human being without turning her into a saint, as most people have over the past few days. Even Camille Paglia, usually quite level-headed, has gone on about the "English Rose" destroyed by the evil Royal Family. As you point out, Diana was no peasant rube, but a minor part of the same class.

When she and Charles first separated, I found it very hard to think of her as a victim, or as a feminist symbol. I'm shocked when I hear that so many women in their thirties "identified" with her. Yes, many of us - men as well as women - end up in bad marriages or with lovers who cheat on us, or worse, never loved us to begin with. But few of us walk away with millions of dollars, and at most have to give up our title! All this talk of her "tragic life" feeds into our personal fantasies that money can't really buy happiness.

You were most astute, however, when talking about the romance novel aspect of all this. In _Salon_ magazine, Susie Bright makes the point that it's foolish to assume that Dodi Fayed, a known philanderer, regarded Diana as the woman he wanted to marry and not just another fling that he would later dump. Diana bought into quite a few fairy tales, indeed.

Still, I can't help but think that there is a little bit of male-bashing amidst all this grief. Charles is being portrayed as an ogre, a cold-hearted man who banished Diana from the place she loved. (A place, at the same time, we were supposed to believe she was unhappy). But Charles is very much a slave to his own duty as king; he had even less choice whether he wanted to be in the royal spotlight. (I don't think the monarchy could survive another King Edward). Reports suggest that Charles is very much under the thumb of his mother, who wants to maintain a tradition of which she is the most obvious beneficiary. This isn't the tale of a woman destroyed by patriarchy, but several people harmed by a hierarchy.

Finally, I can't help but feel that for all the talk of Diana as an icon for women, there is a certain old-school sexism here, where the death of a beautiful woman is mourned above all. In the news just today, a plane crash in Vietnam killed all but three people on board, a train derailed in Saskatchewan, and a postal worker in Miami shot and killed several people before killing himself. I don't think that Diana, who really did care about people, would've wanted these tragedies to be overshadowed by further coverage of her death.

Fascinated with Backlash

Georganna J. Eller - I have had some contact with the DADS organization in New Mexico, and I have read the website version of Backlash. I am fascinated with the extremist views of the world that equally swing as far from reality as extreme feminism does. This magazine as well as the organization appear to deem it necessary to pull the pendulum of reason as far away from balance and equity as does the women who have forced society into an unnatural and unproductive form of gender superiority.

Reason dictates fairness and balance. Unfortunately, neither of the extreme sides of the family court issues lead toward either fairness or balance. The advice in Backlash seems to fuel the fires of extremism and, thus, fuel the fires of injustice that are burning in the family courts across the nation. There is no doubt that the courts generally favor the side of women, but the extreme reactions promoted by DADS and Backlash do nothing but increase the devastating conflict under which the children of these court battles must live.

Perhaps you were referring to where I recently wrote: "What history may remember most about Princess Di is that she stood transfixed at the crossroads between Shakespeare's sister and a room of her own, and there she died."
http://www.backlash.com/1997/4-sep97/rod04.html

Or: "Pitting factions against one another is societal suicide. We depend on one another for our existence. In the end, there cannot be only one."
http://www.backlash.com/1997/2-july97/rod02.html

Or: "The longer you wait, the more likely the backlash will erupt out of a desperation that will ignite the angry flames of fanaticism. Far better to be a reluctant revolutionary today, than to look back on today with regret tomorrow."
http://www.backlash.com/1997/1-jan97/rod01.html

Or perhaps you were referring to: "You can't play dirty pool and expect everybody else to play by the rules." or "When we focus on men's issues and female sexism, pop feminists accuse us of being one-sided. When women focus on women's issues and male sexism, a growing number of men backlash by accusing them of being one-sided. We can do better."
http://www.backlash.com/1997/3-aug97/hmmm03.html

If you believe these "fuel the fires of extremism" and "injustice," then I guess I disagree. :)

Children must be the first concern.....not money paid for child support, not money received for child support, not the amount of time allotted for time sharing to one parent or the other, not the power or control granted to or taken from one parent or the other. THE CHILDREN MUST COME FIRST--no matter what.
So, you would change the old saying to: "Children and women first"? Or, "Children and men, first"? Or, "Children first, and don't trust anybody over the age of 30"?

Ironically, much feminist literature from the seventies attacks "childhood" as a recent and unhealthy invention designed by "oppressive agents of the white patriarchal system" to control women and children (e.g., Shulamith Firestone). They correctly note that until recently children were treated essentially as small adults immediately following infancy. It wasn't until pop feminists saw advantage in using children in custody cases to gain economic, and, therefore, political clout over men that the literature changed in favor of infantilizing children.

Revealing, wouldn't you agree?

Until the male and female breeders of the children trapped in the jaws of family courts understand that the needs of the children must be satisfied first (even if it is at the expense of either the male or female breeder), our nation will have to face the expense of psychological care, the cost of medication, the plague of personality disorders in our abandoned youth. YES, ABANDONED YOUTH.....Abandoned by men and women who have abandoned their responsibilities as parents to wage private wars with ex-spouses in the family courts. IT IS NOT THE COURTS WHO DRAG CASES BEFORE THE BENCHES. It is the individuals who choose to file order after order so they can continue the relationships--obviously sick relationships--with exes.
Sound advice, good insight, but we shouldn't forget pop feminists encourage this fight. While I certainly agree the war ought to end, we should neither expect men to turn the other cheek nor blame organizations such as DADS for helping men (primarily) to defend themselves.
PLEASE WORK TO STOP THE FIGHTS.....SAVE OUR CHILDREN....COOPERATE....COMPROMISE....PARENT.....SAVE OUR CHILDREN FROM THE JAWS OF INJUSTICE, ANGER, AND ABUSE....RECONCILE....STOP THE ANGER AND HATRED....PLEASE...SAVE THE CHILDREN!!!!!!

A walk in the park

Ted Greenfield - My wife and I were walking through the park behind her house today. On the walkway we were met by James and his son, Michael.

James recognized me (as an of the executive of the Non-Custodial Parents of Durham, Region Ontario). He shared with us that he had to have a friend go to a police station today/Sunday to ensure that his court ordered visitation was available. The pain and embarrassment he and his son had endured because the mother had forced an exchange, OF THE CHILD, at the police station was apparent.

My wife observed and commented that the 2-1/2 year old child was aware of everything going on today. This type of hatred by the mother will scar the child forever. This is child abuse.

PUT OUR CHILDREN FIRST.

Statutory rape?

Reggie Hill - My feelings exactly. Society blames man for all of its short-comings. When will women take some responsibility for at least the things they have control over ?

I would like to know what the statutory age for Texas Teens is (if that information is available to you).

I'm glad to know that someone besides myself realizes that as Society turns against its men, Society is turning to shit!

I don't know what the age of consent is in Texas. In the state of Washington, I think it used to be 16 but now it's 36.

Supporting the men's movement

Galileo - I would very much like to support the Men's Movement. My question to you is: How?

Can you point me to some promotional material to help our movement (flyers, banners, documents etc.) Many thanks.

N.O.W. no more

Robert A. Hirschfeld - Recently, I received email from N.O.W.'s "webperson":
Please take me off your distribution list.
The following is a quote of my response to her:
To: Sarah Stapleton-Gray
Subject: Why would I want you on my distribution list?
Neither you, nor the National Organization for Women is on my distribution list. If you received a message, it was apparently the result of my responding to someone else who had included you as a 'cc.

I was actually a N.O.W. member in the 1970's, but became disgusted with the male-bashing and did not renew. I appeared in 1978 on the Phil Donahue show as a custodial father in support of the Equal Rights Amendment. I doubt that the present management of N.O.W. would favor the E.R.A. today, because "Equality" is obviously no longer the goal.

EEOC

John Brown - Apropos to your original sexual harassment case, you may be interested in the following quote:
On the other hand, neither women nor men benefit from working in an office where everyone feels they must constantly keep their guards up against potential harassment claims. [...] There's no reason for anyone to fear that the display of a Degas portrait of a nude woman or an innocent compliment about a co-worker's appearance might constitute sexual harassment. - Sex Discrimination Issues, The United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Technical Assistance Program, April 1996 revision, page A-3.
You should find it at any Federal Depository library.

What happened to The Backlash!?

Paul Robbins - Is Backlash going back on line any time soon? Or did the PC crowd finally shut you down?

Advocate - What up with the Backlash. Our recent fund raiser has put us into a position where we will soon have free and unlimited access to a private server and 500 meg of web space and an infinite number of e-mail addresses. I will let you know when and where this is going to occur if you need some free web space.

Steve Urban - What happened to the backlash? It was one of my favorite pages......Just curious....Thanks in advance..

John Brown - I can no longer find www.backlash.com. Has it been renamed, or is it defunct?

J. Decicco - I have been having trouble accessing the backlash web site for 3 weeks. My ISP says it is not their problem, and to wait until backlash fixes the problem. Is there a problem there...or here? Please email me with any help you can provide, and thanks.

Jeff Seeman - I was trying to find the Backlash web page and wasn't able to. I have the address as www.backlash.com. Is that incorrect? In the printed version of The Backlash, there was always a one- or two-page Resource Directory. Does this exist on the Backlash web page as well? If so, is it possible you could send me the contents of this in an e-mail message? It would save me a lot of trouble and I would greatly appreciate it.

Matt Love - I wanted to look at the Nov. 94 issue of the Backlash to see what you'd written about Gary Sall, but I can't seem to get to the URL where it's located. In fact, I can't seem to access anything at backlash.com!

Brian Mahin - What is happening with the Backlash web site. Been down ? for awhile ? Is the current under construction message accurate? Miss the site, big time! Need any help?$

Dave Platt - Well, when is a new issue coming out? I feel that this is one of the few intelligent forums for discussion of gender issues on the Net, and I truly miss its humour. So, how about a new issue?

Joe Graham - Just ran across your page, enjoyed it. noticed it was from apr.96, are you not doing it anymore or a temporary lapse perhaps, hopefully?

Joseph M. O'Connor - I just wanted to say I that really enjoy your web site and that I missed it while it was down. (It's one of my favorite spots on the WWW). I hope you've fully recovered from your stay in the hospital. Could you please tell me when your next issue might come out?. I am anxiously awaiting it.

Walter Gregson Vaux - Is "The Backlash" due for an update? All of the material was last updated in 1996. Good page!

Daniel Yagusic - It seems that backlash.com is not on the air. Is this temporary or are you off line permanently for some reason? I would like to say that the work you do is of first class quality and that it is very important. In my last letter I asked you about contributions to support your effort. You indicated that for various reasons they were not (indeed, due to various problems, could not be) really a part of the picture. If that has at all changed, please let me know and I would be glad to donate whatever I can to help you in your cause.

Jonathan Jones - What happened to www.backlash.com?

Jan Pieter Kunst - I am a reader of your electronic magazine The Backlash and I haven't been able to reach the www.backlash.com site for quite some time. I love The Backlash and I'm beginning to miss it. Can you tell me if there is any chance the site will be back up soon, and if The Backlash will continue in another form? Thanks, and take care. Visit the Jos Kunst home page.

While I was in the hospital, my then host-ISP emailed to say they needed to charge me full commercial rates, or $100 MORE per month. When I didn't respond, they disabled the site. I went shopping, found a place that charges less and provides more, and it just took a while to get things back online.

Did I say hospital? Yes. Being a patriarchal oppressive male, I decided to cash in on some of my male privilege bonds, make use of the male-dominated medical system and enjoy some of that good old fashioned medical sexism pop feminists love to complain about.

Uh-huh.

Contrary to the myth that our medical system short changes women only, my experience was an enlightening one that began while I was still working as a temp at clique-dominated Air Touch Cellular.

In September, 1996, I came down with what was later diagnosed as a bladder infection, the result, in at least one doctor's opinion, of dehydration in conjunction with food poisoning. The infection became severe enough that a close friend (who paid for the visit because, as a temp I had no insurance) took me to Overlake Hospital ER where the (female) doctor immediately said I had appendicitis.

She was, shall we say, unthrilled when I told her she was mistaken. Years ago as an Ambulance EMT I pre-diagnosed several cases and I know the symptoms. "Well," she said, "it could be diverticulitis." Wrong, again. My paternal grandmother had diverticulitus - wrong symptoms. "Then in that case it must be colitis." Wrong answer. I may come down with an occasional case of mild food poisoning (take my advice, if I invite you over for dinner, run), but after more than 20 years of eating my own cooking, I have learned a thing or two about preventive medicine. It was either that, or die.

Finally, she agreed to prescribe two days worth of an antibiotic and release me provided I agreed to get a colonoscopy the next day.

The next day the gastroenterologist confirmed there was nothing wrong with my colon. "But," he said, "your tests came back and you have a bladder infection. Call Overlake next week, and otherwise finish the 2-week course of antibiotics." As she had prescribed only 2 days worth, I ran out the next day.

The following Monday I called, confirmed I was feeling better, but when the nurse instructed me to finish the full two weeks worth of antibiotics, I explained I had already run out. "Maybe the doctor should issue a prescription for the full 2 weeks," I suggested. "Are you feeling better?" she asked. "Yes, but...." "If you symptoms return, call." With that, she hung up.

During the next few weeks, the symptoms gradually returned. As instructed, I called. "You'll have to come in and be diagnosed again," they told me. They had a diagnosis from the first time I went in. The standard course of treatment is 2 weeks of an appropriate antibiotic, not the 2 days they prescribed. The symptoms came back, and they wanted to charge another $600 to do what they should have done in the first place.

The Great American Medical System at work. Were I a woman, they'd call it "medical sexism."

Instead, I went to my brother-in-law's doctor. He wrote an appropriate prescription, the symptoms cleared up, things returned to normal. Except, by now Air Touch Cellular had "completed" my contract and I was unemployed.

One of my nearest and dearest loaned me her car, which helped enormously with my job search. In January, 1997, however, while we were moving a heavy piece of furniture into her condo, I bruised a disk in my back. L4, to be exact. A couple days later, in extreme pain, I went to Overlake Hospital ER again. (Stupid? Maybe, but it's close.)

The doctor checked me out, prescribed a muscle relaxant, a painkiller and an anti inflammatory. "Do you want a shot to start working on this right away?" he asked. I did, he gave me a shot, I went home. Oddly, the shot made no difference.

Two days later, with my back spasming almost continuously, I called 911. The paramedics took me back to Overlake ER. I had a fever of 104, a kidney infection, and a streptococcus infection on my L4 disk. Some shot!

During the next 10 days I came to appreciate just how awful hospital food really is, how little doctors really know, how important the nurses and health technicians are, and I wondered why hospital administrators are paid millions of dollars per year. The attending physician was either uncertain or unwilling to say how my disk became infected, but he was worried about turning me into an addict and asked me to cut back on the narcotics. That was easy.

The drugs weren't the problem. Paying was. With neither a job nor insurance, I had few options. A fellow came and helped fill out forms applying for state "assistance." The state ended up paying for most of the $20,000+ bill (they're still considering the $3,000+ bill for the two unnecessary, in my opinion, MRI scans), and I'm paying off the balance over three years.

That's today, several months later. At the time, however, just before I went in to the local DSHS office to complete the application (really fun when the only comfortable position is flat on your back), two representatives from unrelated agencies called to tell me the doctor had certified me 100% disabled for at least 90 days and that I needed to apply to go on welfare as well as emergency medical coverage.

I don't think so. Asking the state to pay the medical bills was bad enough. I could walk (with crutches). It hurt like hell, but I could sit. It was the trials of Job, I was learning a bunch, but how to get paid for taking drugs and limping around was one lesson I'm not willing to learn, so I refused.

Less than a week later, while talking with another friend, when she heard of my situation she arranged for me to interview with one of her employer's VPs. I went to work part-time the very next day, these days I almost have to beg for a weekend off, and thanks to a rigorous training program I've regained all my upper body strength, more than half of my lower body strength, and almost half of my former flexibility.

Pop feminists insist I hate women. Yea, right. Doctors? Well, let me get back to you on that.

Promoting men's issues in Australia

Ivan - I am from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, and I am new to the Men's Movement and am in the process of letting friends know of www.backlash.com on the Net.

In late September, the "Take back the Night" rally will occur in Hobart. I would like to demonstrate at this rally so I can get some Australia-wide media coverage (which I no doubt will for doing such a thing!). But I need your advice! What can I say?

I've read all of your articles, but it's a huge job for someone new to the Men's Movement to understand all of the issues. How should I protest so that I am not degraded "into nothing"?

I would also like to submit articles to local newspapers etc. Would you have some advice/articles re the above so that I can successfully promote Men's issues.

Thanks for you Help.

Take Your Sons To The Mall

Jerry Vrooman - Glad to see the Backlash is up and running again. There has been a lot of debate about Take Your daughters To Work Day and the fact that, statistically, men earn more money than women. An even more interesting fact is that four out of every five consumer dollars are spent by women. Since spending it is a hell of a lot more fun than earning it, women have the better part of the bargain.

To remedy this imbalance between the sexes I am proposing a new holiday called Take Your Sons To The Mall Day. This holiday could be held concurrently with Take Your Daughters To Work Day. This would give boys something to do while the girls are at work. They could be out learning how to spend money instead of sitting in school being brainwashed by feminist teachers.

Small Talk From a 26-year-old Married Woman

Lara - There is a scene in a movie that more than one man has mentioned to me. The reason it's been mentioned to me is, that I (by hilarious coincidence), I am one of those people who reach to open the driver-side car door for the driver when they let me in the passenger-side.

From what I understand, the movie scene is a conversation of some sort about the kind of woman a man should marry. Apparently, they are referring to a woman who, when you open the car door for her as a passenger, reaches over and opens/unlocks the driver's side door while the man is walking around to the driver's side (as I do).

Of course, we could get in to a discussions about politeness and courtesy, why is it a man driving and not a woman, what about electric locks? Yada-yada-yada. Let's just ignore those questionable topics.

On top of this, I have had more than one man say to me "I've never had a woman open the car door for me." This is because, if I'm the driver I open the passenger-side for them first.

If someone hasn't already done so, can I go on record saying something? "The opening of a car door is not a gender-event; it's a passenger-driver event." Granted, to some this may seem pretty obvious. But let them think about their behavior. Coming from late Gen-X, I know many are forgetting basic policies and procedures for courtesy (maybe even not knowing what the words courtesy, manners, politeness mean!) By know means am I a cynic. Nor am I from the deep south.

Oh, and what is my hilarious coincidence? As a child, it was required of me to open the driver-side car door when one of my parents would let me in the passenger-side. If I forgot or was lazy, they would bang on the window so loud, it would scare me half-to-death. It really is funny come-to-think-of-it.

Help!

Bob N. - I am a "separated" father of 4...my wife and I have no court papers, nor a legal separation..and I have been paying our agreed child support payments for over 2 years now...and until very recently have hoped for a reconciliation. This will not happen.

In lieu of any court documents, am I legally able to take my children to another state and then file for custody and divorce?? It seems as though possession is 9/10ths of the law, so I figured that if I have the kids, they have a stable home and are in school, would a court send them back to a mother in another state, who has no stable job history, nor has a home of her own?

Any tips would be helpful...am considering moving to Arizona.

Hi Bob, Have you spoken with any of the fathers' organizations listed in the resource directory or the link page? They're better qualified to help than I am.

Link now available

Jan F. Cohen - You can now view our Family Forever Position Paper. Readers comments are not yet available, but they should be within a few days.

New Fathers group

Jan Peter Peterson - I am sending you the following information. We are interested in letting people know about us.

We have a new Men's Organization, in Iceland, called Responsible Fathers.

Our aim is to work towards systemic change in the current social system here and to promote the reality that Fathers are vital in their children's upbringing too. Men, in Iceland, have no tangible rights to their children after divorce, separation or partner pregnancy out of wedlock. The laws are, however, beautifully written to include us. These laws simply lack the means of enforcing said inclusion.

Please add our group to any list you feel might benefit.

VOCAL

Tony - My two grandsons (ages 10 and 13) have recently been accused of molesting a 5 year old girl their mother (my daughter) has been baby-sitting for the past few years. I believe these accusations to be FALSE.

The child (girl) was recently examined by a doctor prior to admission to school (Kindergarten). The child "claims" she was "touched" by the boys which I, again, believe to be an untruthful statement by the child. The child is from a single parent home, where the mother has various men "stay with her" for varying periods of time based on who knows what criteria. From what my daughter tells me, sexual activities take place in front of this child with no concern of the impact on her.

Basically, the woman appears to be addicted to sex and doesn't seem to care about her child's welfare...only on gratifying her sexual needs/desires.

I have seen the boys "rough and tumble" with the girl during which there is inevitably some body contact. As a matter of fact this child hangs all over any male that will pay attention to her...not a healthy situation.

Will you please advise me as to how I (or, rather we, the family) should proceed to protect the boys rights and show that these accusations are false?

Ken Pangborn has written extensively on the subject of dealing with false accusations, and he has dealt with many cases. You may wish to contact him.

Also, there is an organization called V.O.C.A.L. (Victims of Child Abuse Laws). I believe they are a national organization with state chapters, but the only (and most recent) listing I have for them is: 16541 Redmond Way, Redmond WA 98052 (425) 878-5135. I hope this helps.

Tasmania

Steve - Firstly, thanks for developing www.backlash.com. I am from Australia: Hobart, Tasmania to be precise. I am just an ordinary guy studying and working within the Information Technology industry and out of interest found your web site.

A perspective from the "male side" of feminist issues is a relief from the continual bombardment of ONLY the "female side" of the coin. It is unfortunate there is so much bias (pro-women/anti-men) in our community here in Australia.

Left-wing Feminist propaganda is everywhere: Billboards, TV, Radio, Newspapers and I think it is time a more balanced view be presented.

I am wondering whether you can add to your web-page some pro-male Men's Movement propaganda?

By the way, my parents divorced in 1975 and our "mom" automatically gained custody. However, after a 2 year "battle" in the Family Law court, our dad (thankfully) won us back!!!!

Your efforts with helping our fellow man is greatly appreciated. I am passing on the word to other men to surf to your site.

Watch for Verbal Abuse Expert -Patricia Evans

Joe Biller - A verbal abuse expert - Patricia Evans has books out on the market about this subject. Her latest is edition two of "The Verbally Abusive Relationship".

I've read both editions. They are full of the usual feminist claptrap where men are always the abusers and women the abused. It's very annoying to read this. She actually violates her own rules by denying, discounting and trivializing verbal abuse (of men). There is poor if any documentation of her "findings". She makes many general statements about men. I think she needs to be strongly challenged as much as possible. Her background? Working in a women's shelter.

Ruth Prizzey, founder of the Women's Shelter movement, left the US after five years saying American women are among the most violent people in the world. Since she dealt primarily with women in battered women's shelters, I suspect she was not referring to all American women. - editor

Achilles Heel

Dave - I have just found your pages via Infoseek and am truly impressed!

I shall spend more time in the near future exploring your site further but for now I am just writing to suggest that we set up reciprocal links since I am the webthingy for the UK men's magazine Achilles Heel.

Perhaps you could let me know what you think, but please note I am on vacation for two weeks from 11th August.

Reamed team

Juan Prats - Great articule "the reamed team" , awakes anyones feelings.

Great Site

Kathleen - I came to the site from the Pleaides controversy site (subject abortion) after reading your comments.

I have been reading your story but will have to visit again later as it is such a long and interesting subject. Seems to me you've been done wrong, haven't got far enough to see how everything got resolved.

Recently Court TV covered a case where a guy was fired for his comments (objections) about a Seinfield episode, he sued and won. Have you considered something similar? The lawyer for the guy was awesome and the case was a civil case. You have more evidence then he had.

Anyway I also liked your site (visually) because it was not filled with that gross wallpaper (so busy that you can't concentrate), I've pretty much decided not to visit anymore home pages because of that!

I have lots of personal thoughts about equality but my fingers can't keep up with my brain so I really don't like to type therefore I won't take the time to type them unless you really have the time or inclination to read them (not a manipulation or come on to have you say oh please do- just the truth).

Thanks for the 'alternative' view as the mother of 3 sons and a daughter I really want the world to be a better place for them all. By the way have you read the book "Reviving Ophelia- Saving the Selves of Teenage Girls?" I thought it was a good parenting book and defiantly could be applied to saving the selves of teenage boys!

Butterfly kisses

Claude Strass - When families break up, abusive women often become even more abusive once they see how easy it is to use the courts against men. When this happens the risk of total destruction to the father/parent relationship is eminent.

The mother begins using the children as weapons by withholding the children from their father, not letting his children speak to him on the phone, telling lies about him to the children, disparaging the DAD to the children, alienating him from them, attempting to replace him as the father with another man or woman, telling him he is not the real father, misusing child support, deliberately refusing court ordered visiting/ parenting time with his children to punish him, falsely accusing him of abusing his children, moving far away to make shared parenting impossible and visitation difficult, creating stress at visitation child exchanges by intentional or contrived lateness and no shows, taking out fraudulent abuse protective orders, hauling dad into court for trivial matters, wearing him down, both financially and emotionally, and refusing any cooperation.

Children need their fathers!

I am a dad who only wanted and still wants to be an involved loving father and parent and get those hugs and butterfly kisses from his 10 year old daughter Suzanne. I pay $1,000 in child support yet haven't seen my daughter in almost 5 years because her mother says no. She is in contempt of existing court orders and the judges and courts do nothing but look the other way.

My daughter was taken from her home state, sister, brother and grand parents by her mother, so that her mother could continue her adultery with her out of state boyfriend.

Did you know a non custodial father can be falsely accused of child abuse by the mother, and nothing will be done to her? A custodial mother can move your child out of state away from you and her family, and there is nothing you can do? The mother of your kids can spend your child support money any way she wants, even on herself and boyfriends?

What can we do? Spread the truth of these biased judges and family courts. Knowledge is the beginning of change. Help give our children back to both parents, let our children know and love their fathers as we were allowed to when we were children.

These deadbeat immoral mothers need to be punished for their continued violation of our children's families love and rights.

Found ya

Kim - I am writing a graduate paper on home management. Am quoting your article. Thanks.

Backlash is refreshing, making me laugh and think, two of my favorite activities. I keep telling my son he needs to read this. Am in agreement about Paula Jones and will share your very well clarified points.

I am reluctant to align myself with a political party, sociological group, or even religion. Do people think through things these days? It seems strident, self-serving, manipulative.

Thought on the abortion chapter. It is a very weird thing that new humans must incubate in females. Very weird. Certainly fetuses are parasitic, but so are babies and children. Of course, a child doesn't depend on the woman's body as directly as a fetus. The government has said children have the right to proper care by parents (owners?) or the government will step in and take the children (property?) away. It is all weird. Kids are in a strange situation from conception to age 18, aren't they?

Info source

Rich - As people who've jumped into the fight, I can't tell you how grateful I am that you have your info Online. While I do as much reading of books and articles as I can, researching on the WEB is obviously very quick and economical time-wise ... we were recently interviewed by a local TV station and, due in large part to WEB research in general and your page in specific, were able to blow the hostile interviewer out of the water.

Reformed feminist

Trigger - I am a female who is a reformed feminist. It took my marriage to a non custodial father to finalize the "cure" for me. Although, I had been reaching the conclusion that "feminazi" (coined, I believe, by Rush Limbaugh) was an appropriate name for today's modern feminist.

I have been noticing on television lately that several things are happening and wondering what men (and women) are doing, or intend to do about it:

The first, I saw a documentary regarding how men's sports at many colleges have been shut down in order to give more money to women's sports. If I remember correctly, they spotlighted Syracuse University's Men's Wrestling, which has put out a number of Olympic Wrestlers.

Having been an athletic female in school, I knew that our money came almost entirely from the male athletic program. In other words, we enjoyed the fruits of the male labor in sports. Our sports probably weren't promoted as well; however the truth was (and is) our sports were not the hard, fast, exciting type sports that both men and women enjoy watching. I believe with few exception (figure skating, volleyball) this still holds true today.

To me, this is simply a matter of fairness: Why, if men's sports bring in the "lion's share" of the money utilized, are men being punished and the women given yet more free moneys? It seems to me that no one with an ounce of common sense could blame men, or allow this outrage of justice to happen.

Additionally, I am sitting here pregnant with my first child. This child stands a 50% chance of being a boy. Do you know that for this child's sake a part of me "wishes" it will be a girl because I would almost hate to bring a male child into today's anti-male world?! Obviously, I will love my child no matter what it's gender is, I just think it is a shame that I even have to worry about it's future based on it's gender. Frankly, I wouldn't be a guy in today's anti-male climate at all and feel so sorry for you guys.

I guess my question about the above is: What are the counter measures to this? Are there any lawsuits on behalf of the guys to stop this obvious discrimination? What I don't understand is there are many males who could back this up financially, yet why don't they come out of the proverbial "closet"?? Where are the Donald Trumps - who have obviously been forced by law to finance ex-wives? Not to mention having his reputation dragged through the mud. I see someone like Trump as being the epitome of American success. Personally, I see his spouses utilizing their bodies (and their children) to make a living. It suggests to me that some things never change.

This is just my opinion, however, it seems to me that getting good financial backing and taking the message to the airwaves would counter public opinion. The other side does this quite successfully.

Anyhow, I won't get into The Citadel, the male-only draft, the Aberdeen fiasco, the Kelly Finn fiasco, etc., These are all areas where I personally feel sexual discrimination against males is as obvious as the nose on your face. I mentioned those to say this - the feminazis have become so arrogant and bold that they will push the most obvious discrimination against men gleefully - and without fear of recrimination. I have always heard "pride cometh before a downfall" and think that this may be the case, one can only hope so.

Good luck to you. There truly are some of us women out there who are as appalled at this as you guys are.

Rights of non custodial parents

Rex - Could you advise me of the address in Fredericton New Brunswick of a group such as yours. I agree with your comments. Presently my daughter and son in law are in the courts with this matter. I want to get involved and help in any way I can.

My son in law is paying support for a son from a previous common law relationship. It is hurting my daughter and her two young children, having to pay this large amount of support. The fact that the mother of the child does not abide by the court decisions regarding visitation rights bothers me greatly when my son in law abides by all the rules handed down by the courts.

Actually, The Backlash! is not a group, just a publication, a clearing house for information, really. I have listed every group I know about either on my links page or in my resource directory. - editor

Great reading

Walt - Just found your website. Great reading! Keep up the good work!

VERY Selective Service

Sylvia Long - I'm scratching my head here, maybe someone can help.

The other night I heard a commercial on the radio for Selective Service. It stated that all males must register within 30 days after their 18th birthday. The tag line at the end said, "It's what a man's gotta do!"

I'm of an age that I haven't paid attention to that sort of thing since Vietnam. I didn't even know they still had Selective Service.

My question is, in this day and age of "equal opportunity" for women, how come only MEN have to register??? Has any 18-year-old ever challenged this on the basis of sexual discrimination as the women have challenged field combat and military academies? If not, why not?

Crazy!

Anonymous - You have to be the craziest man ever. The essays you have posted have such a twisted logic. I hope you get some help, because you display a deep hatred of women and, believe it or not, men.
Naturally, you have more than a bare assertion to offer?
I will not get into a deep discussion about your work;...
Guess not.
...they don't warrant much critical thought. Nonetheless, they were quite frightening, and I only hope you seek counseling. If not, you are likely to cause someone harm--mental and/or physical.

Please talk to a professional

You're very kind. And anonymous, too. That takes a special courage. ;-)

Impressed

Balthasar v. Weymarn - Thanks for that site! It's very courageous, and I salute you for this. I have taken the freedom of linking my site to yours.

I very much liked your article "Caring up close" in the Dec 94 issue. I stumbled onto your page by accident and liked your approach to male-female problems. Only having read "The Myth Of Male Power" before this, I did not know that there were "others" out there.

Wow

Bob & Marg Percival - I am presently in a custody battle for my daughter. I still have a lot of false assumptions , like I will be seen as an equal to the mother. I have tried to be reasonable, but she refuses to be. I am truly sorry for your situation, and do not know how, and why such injustices can still take place. We live in a time of same sex couples, yet the idea of equal parenting is still an unrealistic concept to the courts.

Being a parent is the easy thing for me, the fight for the right to be that parent is the hard part.

My friend will benefit from your article

Bob & Nancy - Dear Mr. Easton; I just finished reading your article, "Family Violence: What you haven't heard". I have printed it for my loved one, Bob, who has had a terrible time with his soon to be ex-wife, a personality-disordered woman with alcohol and drug problems, who was violent with him.

When community intervention was about to begin, she took his 6-month daughter (whom he had cared for since her premature birth) and fled to Boston, MA - a refuge state for battering women! - where she filed false affidavits of physical abuse against HIM!

He has suffered terribly, mostly emotionally. He is a wonderful man and has been further abused by the legal system. I believe that this article will give him some comfort, if nothing else. I am ashamed of women for these cowardly misdeeds: hitting, running and hiding. As an "uppity woman" myself, I apologize for women like this - they are worse than criminals for hiding behind the feminist skirts!

Domestic violence against husbands

Name withheld at her request - I am currently on active duty in the military, so while you may publish what I send (and research it to your heart's content), I must ask that I remain 'anonymous' due to the political sensitivity of the issue, and the recent barrage against the military by the feminist movement.

I recently served a 3 year tour at the Joint services Law Enforcement Academy at Lackland AFB. While there I was made aware numerous heresies foisted on men by the politically correct media. I did some research into it; via the Bexar county Sheriff's Office, the Medina County Sheriff's Office, Texas DPS, and other local law enforcement agencies, as well as research into it through the FBI's unified crime report statistics and other resources available to me.

My research indicated to me that: 1) female spouses physically assault their husbands only a slight percentage less than husbands assault their female spouses, 2) female spouses by far are more vicious in their attacks, and will quicker resort to the use of improvised weapons (steam irons, cookware, etc.), resulting in a far higher ratio of physical though non-debilitating injuries, thus reports, 3) husbands report these attacks in less than 10% of the events not requiring medical attention, and in the vicinity of 35% of the events requiring medical attention, 4) legal proceeding are initiated in less than 10% of the events after the first occurrence, rising to approximately 30% between the second and fifth occurrences, and even after the fifth occurrence of assault not requiring medical attention, the percentage of cases resulting in legal action is still less than 50%!

In cases of assault requiring medical attention, the percentages are still not significantly higher. This is also based on discussions with patrol officers over a 21 month span. Please research this to validate any consistencies on a national scale. Thank You.

Mismeassure of Woman

Patricia Granados - As a feminist, not anti-male woman, I have read a few of your articles and i have to say that I agree with some, and disagree with others.

Mostly because I don't believe that there are many real differences between men and women as some movements would like us to think. I have read a very good book by a successful psychologist that I believe will be of great help to you and your articles.

The name of the book is Mismeassure of Woman, and please don't be mislead by the title, it is not the type of feminist book that attacks men, otherwise I would have not read it. thank you

Marratle rape

(Name and email address removed under veiled threat of this politician's assistant) - I have found my self in a conflict with my wife for about four years now. this conflict has realy taken a tole on my mine an personl werth. Is it possable to rape your wife? Sitution: See did not like to have sex with me, but on acations we would party and get drunk. When we would get home she would have me undress her and we would end up haveing sex. In the mornings she would hate me an aques me of takeing advantage of her, an call it rape. Is this a true fact?
In patriarchal times and places, a wife was considered property and, consequently, under patriarchal laws, a man did not need the consent of his wife, thus, during those dark days and in those unenlightened places, spousal rape was an unrecognized crime. Fortunately, and thanks in large part to the efforts of early feminists, this has changed. Ironically, many of the enlightened societies still treat children like chattel, and the mothers as their natural owners.

With regard to your question about sex under the influence of alcohol, many jurisdictions hold men, but not women, responsible for their behaviors while under the influence, a legal oddity promoted by pop feminists who, evidently, feel women are responsible enough to choose to get drunk, but not to live with the consequences.

Update October 12, 2000 - A person claiming to be the "assistant" of the author of the above email demanded that I remove the email. As their email address originated with the USDA's office, it seemed prudent to bow to the power of a Federal bully. At least to the extent of removing their name and email address.

It was very interesting, however, to note that the grammar and spelling of this "assistant's" email was not much better than it is in the email above.

What everyone should know about Feminist issues

FastChik - I came across your web site while researching for a school paper on how sexual attitudes have changed from the 1960s. Your input proved a valuable example in my section on the resentment the feminist movement has drawn from men. I admit I only had time to read a handful of articles, but I read every headline and skimmed several of the particularly attention-grabbing ones. I was generally insulted by your simplistic and pragmatic writing style.
If style is significant to the discussion, then I'd have to call foul on virtually every feminist writer since Woolf (whose style is both extraordinary and inspiring). Craft's is crass, Dworkin's boorish, Hite's petulant, Steinem's self-important...and so on.

Generally, I try to leave style out of it, which, given the poor quality of writing that generally characterizes so much of what passes for feminist literature these days, I'm sure many are grateful to be spared that...Rod.

You presented a one-sided view of the majority of the topics,...
Very true, and with good reason. It behooves every writer, from the aforementioned to everybody else, to limit the scope of their work. Otherwise, nothing would ever be published because it is impossible, in one lifetime, to include every relevant viewpoint, every exception, and so on. As a host of sometimes well-funded feminist and pop feminist writers, reporters and journalists, have done quite a job of presenting a one-sided view on so many of these topics, anything in critical reply is a step toward balance.
...and only used quotes that furthered your overly simplistic arguments. In fact, having already checked out a few of the feminist books you drew quotes from, I found they were used badly out of context. One book I observed you often quote from was Women Vs. Women, for obvious reasons.
Most critics and intelligent folks agree claims are best upheld by specific examples. You've cited a source, but I don't see any specific examples. Was that an oversight?
Your tone reeks of misogyny.
Specific examples?
The more I read, the more I found that each article was a poorly supported attempt to turn feminist issues around and blame women.
In the Speech Communications department at my old alma mater, the University of Washington, they teach a course called Argumentation. According to their lessons, an assertion ought to be followed by a warrant or two. A warrant being, in simplest terms, an explanation of how one gets from assertion to conclusion. I read an assertion, but see no warrants. Do you?
You even go so far as to call lesbianism, which scientists theorize to be a result of genetics, the only option left to bitter "pop-feminists" as they age and lose their ability to torment men with their charms.
Were you referring to:

"...that the majority of women will have the choice of prostituting themselves to the richest, most desirable men, or indulging their youth in night after one night stand night in stringless sex. But both will be followed by a prolonged and asexual middle age, or lesbianism, and both will be despised by men."

Or:

"The ultimate rejection is disinterest. Soon after age forty, the vast majority of women lose their sexual appeal to men. Their reign of sexual aristocracy over, they find out what it's like to be sexually invisible, and there is little left for them in this respect than to seek solace in the arms of their own gender."

Ironically, this did not originate with me. At the time I wrote both those passages, I had not yet begun to read the feminist works from the 60s and 70s. However, I was already well-read in the works from the 80s and early 90s, and the first place I read the underlying assertion in the above passages was in Shere Hite's "Women and Love." Later, I found the same in Cynthia Smith's "Why Women Should Not Marry." Later still, Germaine Greer turned up saying essentially the same thing.

The primary difference: Hite, Smith and Greer hailed it as a triumph for women -- that, as women aged, more and more, they would find lesbian relationships an exhilarating liberation from men. All I did was to take their assertion and present it as a downside rather than upside.

I hope you read this letter carefully. I have attempted to be very respectful of your skewed perspective, and hope you will take my advice of researching your topics more carefully before unleashing your frustration with feminists...
Good point; with less than 30 years of living it, and less than 10 years of intensive study, how could one help but be ill-prepared to address a subject?
...in the form of blatant attacks on women,...
I've always found this ironic -- when someone, anyone, says something like, "men oppress women," or "as a man, you were born with privileges and power over women," that's taken almost as self-evident truth, but when a guy says anything at all critical of women in general, or (pop) feminists in particular, that's a "form of blatant attacks on women." Even Shere Hite explicitly disapproves of double standards (except when she's indulging them).
...as if they have no right to feel anger at any man.
I gather by this you mean to imply women have the right to feel anger at any man? To be unbiased and fair, then, would you agree men have a reciprocal right to feel anger at any woman? If so, then ought not there to be similar rights with regard to expressing such anger? And, assuming I'm angry at women, wouldn't that include a right for me to express that?

Many say I'm angry at women. I'm not sure what makes them expert on the state of my feelings. A well-honed ability to project, perhaps. What I do know from experience, is that when I tell folks that, if anything, I feel grief toward and about women, the response is generally what I would call...angry.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. :)

I would appreciate your opinion in response to these criticisms
As I appreciate yours.

Issues & Views Update

Elizabeth Wright - Be sure to visit the updated Issues & Views home page, the voice of America's black dissidents. Several articles from the Fall 1996 edition of I&V have been added. Following are two excerpts and a summary.

Excerpt from AFFIRMATIVE ACTION: It Will Never Be Enough

For the most part, the incomes of middle class blacks are tied directly to the government sector, or indirectly tied to it through employment in non-profit organizations and academia. Therefore, their economic interests are hardly any different from those of people who are totally dependent on government largess. This means that most blacks will forever be at odds with those who seek either to eliminate government programs or to diminish the size of government. Why would they join a campaign to eliminate the very thing on which most of their livelihoods depend? ...

A remarkable (perhaps even inscrutable) phenomenon is the almost total capitulation of American whites to the political demands of black elites, feminists and homosexual activists. Even given the normal tendency of most people to take the path of least resistance, what we're witnessing today has got to be unprecedented. Thirty years of living in fear of being denounced as a racist, sexist or homophobe, has obviously done its work.

Excerpt from THE DEMORALIZATION OF THE MILITARY
What loss of common sense could ever bring a government to purposely introduce into its fighting forces the element of sexual interplay, which inevitably brings with it romantic ramifications with which we're all familiar‹hurt feelings, periods of anxiety and brooding and, sometimes, even vengeful behavior? The fear of this type of disruption is one of the reasons military leaders fought so hard, in 1992, against approving openly acknowledged homosexuals. But what the gay lobby lost, the feminists won. And we may all pay dearly for it some day. ...

In an article in the Seattle Post Intelligencer, Bruce Chapman writes that the military is now being treated as some kind of social laboratory. The armed forces are now pinned down by an arch-feminist fusillade of charges and policy demands. He attributes the suicide of Admiral Jeremy Boorda, not to the superficial stories about campaign ribbons, but to the pressures of a changing Navy. On the one hand, Boorda was under fire from the government to enforce new, illogical policies, while, on the other, he was incurring increasing criticism for failing to defend the honor of his officers and the effectiveness of the service.

Summary of BANKING PIONEERS: Let Us Muzzle the Wail and Think Straight
A founding principle of the civil rights lobby is the downgrading and even disparagement of the economic and social accomplishments of blacks during the so-called segregation period. Since it is important to emphasize black failure, in order to justify current demands for special privilege, the entire self-help movement, which was mentored by Booker T. Washington and the Tuskegee elders, must be viewed as "trivial." Blacks are now taught that the poor "have no bootstraps," thus reinforcing notions that leaders in an earlier age vigorously fought against.

In this article, you will learn about the development of black businesses in towns and cities, and men like William Pettiford, John Whitelaw Lewis, Jesse Binga and Richard R. Wright, who helped blacks accumulate capital through the establishment of banks. Many blacks owned land and prospered. Life for all was not a daily round of oppressive episodes and abject poverty. The sources for this article are contemporary features and editorials from black-owned newspapers, from about the turn of the century through the 1940s.

And while you're visiting our page, be sure to take a look at the books we have on sale. We have added to our list former Black Panther Anthony Bryant's HIJACK -- an account of his 1969 hijacking of a National Airlines passenger plane -- a journey that unexpectedly changed him from an angry militant to an enlightened champion of freedom.

Issues & Views = P.O. Box 4467 = New York, NY 10163
Tel. & Fax: (718) 655-7847

School

Marni - As a 15 year old grrl, I can tell you that not only are most of your essays crap, but the segment on education is especially bad.

"Segregating classrooms by gender will protect girls from the more competitive behaviors of the boys, thereby giving them the safety they need to seek out their own level, and grow."

I am just as restless as any of the males and more aggressive. I am also the very top of my class in all subjects and have never in any way been dominated by males. I have high aspirations, and as much if not more self confidence than any of my class mates, male or female. Our own levels? Get serious. "the human mind is non-gender specific." The classroom should be divided, not by gender but by ability.

Well said!

Links of possible interest

Rick Thoma - I happened on your home page today. I must say, it is quite an interesting site.

I thought the following home pages may be of some interest to you. The first is a new page, evidently the first of its kind. It is a site composed by and for current and former foster care children, called Survivors of the System: Foster Children United.

It would appear that another growing group among the "backlash" would be families that have been wrongfully prosecuted, often having their children removed while prosecution takes place, for Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. This would appear to be a construct that is often being employed by physicians to avoid malpractice claims against them.

I noticed that you have some Native American links on your site. You may find a summary of the Indian Child Welfare Act to be of some interest. It seems forces are at work to undermine the Act, and that Native American tribal organizations are among those who are fighting to protect their children against continued removals into foster care.

Bite Me

lopaw - What a pathetic bunch of whining ass fuckers you all are....no wonder no one cares about you. Get a life loser.
For some reason, most of our critics seem to have pretty much the same thing to say. Articulate, well-reasoned, calm and intelligent just like you. Maybe that explains why we take them so seriously. :)

A backlash to survive

Bob Costa I think that the "Backlash" concept is important. It states where we are in history presently. The family needs a backlash to survive. Thank you!

T-shirts?

Rich E. - GREAT site, except for issues common to similar sites. Let me explain. Why is it that some porn sites are racking up 10,000 hits per day, and men's movement sites, only 50? You would think that with the problems in today's society, many men would be spending some time here too. But they are not; in reality, most men are abused and brainwashed, and many know nothing about the movement on the Internet. What's being done about it? Very little. We need "numbers," "numbers," "numbers."

I suggest that your authors put wording allowing visitors to copy most of your copyrighted material. This will help get it circulating underground in the outside world. (I know the rules stopped me.) It also gives the impression that people ARE copying it.

I suggest a direct link right to the Men's Manifesto, the best literature, in my opinion, for all men on the net (not just to the MDA, because single men will miss it). Mr. Doyle just lifted the copyright restrictions - check it out (see "details here" and MDA's home page).

I also have to tell you that I've been looking for men's movement sites for the last two months, and I just found yours yesterday. It doesn't come up in the WWW Virtual library, or anywhere else easily. I think you should find a way to get more exposure.

Your site has the Vote Male T-shirt! (Stylish too - what's on the back - nothing hopefully) But that was one of the last things I noticed: how many missed it?? I think shirts like that should be pushed aggressively at the men's movement sites, but I don't see any but yours!

I think letting all men know that there IS a men's movement, and giving them a "complete package" of the facts (I use the Manifesto) is of supreme importance.

Pass it on, please

Hoyt McKagen - I married a Russian woman whom I met as a penpal though an ad I placed in a Moscow newspaper. I did this because I was not happy with available US women in my age range ... the ones who were decent, loving and kind usually had strong marriages, and the remaining ones were often bitter about their own experiences, or were dedicated professionals with no real interest in love, or were man-killer feminists who delighted in making it tough for the men they related to.

This has been good for us: I am quite happy and have a perfect new daughter. My wife is beautiful, educated, talented, pleasant and dedicated, and also happy with the situation. It took us only about 12 months to go from curious and tentative to extremely well-bonded newlyweds. As in any marriage, there are still problems between my wife and I, and cultural differences are confusing too ... but we are always able to work through all that due to our sound basis in commitment and mutual respect. It is particularly happy-making for me to be able to finally relax to the concept that my wife is a friend, one who is not and never will be making ulterior plans (at my cost) for her benefit alone.

In the Russian social system, cooperation and mutual respect are ingrained from their early days, and women there have been considered equal since 1919, so trivial issues of gender relations simply are not relevant and never come up. For example, 95% of their doctors and about 40% of their engineers are female. They are well represented in other professional fields such as law, finance, and especially in education and health education. In short the main practical difference between feminism's outraged ideals and socialistic realities turned out to be that socialism respected men also. But though the main policy setters in most fields do tend to remain men, most other males are in the same working setting as men in America in the 1950s such as manual and semiannual tasks, or supervisory ones confined to roles defined by Marxist central planning. This tended to make for a weak male middle class in Russia, a vacuum which, as the women there are longingly, painfully well aware ... is filled perfectly by men of the USA. We are also perceived there as being kind and generous as opposed to the possibly unfair conception on their part that authoritarianism has exacerbated ordinary male faults in their homeland.

My wife knows of many women in Moscow and St. Petersburg who would like to come to America also, and she has friends and relatives there to help accumulate photos, bios, and addresses, in interest of starting their own penpal service. (She was doing this by hand, by international smail, when she asked me for help!) So now I am asking you to think about meeting some of them.

I know this is sounds like one of those ads you see in men's mags, but I am not a salesman and don't want to make a pure pitch. In fact I would appreciate it if you regard this as not only a statement of my philosophy but a sound tactic toward male rights.

Send me a smail address and we'll send free photos and a short bio of the first nine of these women, plus more info about contacting them and about having your own bio distributed in Russia or direct contact ads placed for you. Yes, there will be reasonable fees, but less than anywhere else. I can guarantee that if nothing else, the latter methods will be enlightening; as I received hundreds of letters, over half in English and almost every one of those with phone, fax, and/or email numbers included. That made it easy to pick the right one. (I have even remained in friendly contact with some of these women since, who have proved their seriousness by finally coming here as other men's brides.) We can also provide useful info concerning INS regs, travel, accommodations, translators here and/or there, etc. There will be no guesswork, as these will in every case be services of selves or personal friends.

We intend this to stay small and personal, as our main interest is providing more options for modern men. My wife today made twenty copies of the snaps, and in fairness to those interested, I think we will limit the first distribution to that number, with more and different choices each month. Sound good? Write!!

All the women from Russia I've met or associate with are pretty decent. It's enough to make you consider learning Russian. ;-)

Men's rights

Lorne N. Hanson - Yes, I agree with Backlash that men need to stand up for our rights, but, didn't men make all of the now ridiculous alimony and child support/custody laws, and aren't men judges still adhering to a 1920s mentality in enforcing these obsolete laws? I for one am a far superior parent to my ex-wife and yet, I do not have to prove that, I must prove that she is lower than "whale shit at the bottom of the ocean". I make less than $30,000 a year, have a new wife and two more children, and I pay over $600 in child support. Thank God that I don't have to pay alimony.

Looking out for #1?

Diane Kegel -- I'm a feminist who agrees with your statements about women in the workplace (contributing to sexually charged atmosphere). Maybe if this unfortunate incident hadn't derailed your career, you could be more objective (easy to say!) and perhaps you actually have looked at this from a woman's perspective; after all, I'm sure you were up many a night thinking matters over.

My perspective is that women are conditioned to please men. When we are growing up, we are taught to dress appealingly and that is more than reinforced by advertising and women's magazines. TV is full of women wearing shameless outfits at work. I know it's tempting to wear beautiful clothes at work (read: sexy) and that bears itself out, does it not, evidenced by what all those brassy women wear at Microsoft?

Lightheartedness aside, my point here is: women and men are the same inside. We all are out to get more money, by whatever means are available to us, the easier the better. The tables occasionally turn so that the Nells get their way rather than the Bobs, AND YET it is men who primarily benefit from power struggles. Do not be fooled by your personal experience. Instead, please use it as a way to "walk in others' moccasins" and understand what women have had to deal with for oh, ever.

Rape

Asa Wood Library - Excuse me, but I think that the issue of rape is not in any way going to be solved by blaming certain sexes for rape. If you are looking to blame women in general for rape, you need to review your statistics. No one can fairly accuse all men of contributing to the problem of rape, as no man can accuse all women of contributing to the problem. I give no false messages, wear no sexy clothes out by myself, and always give a clear message that I don't want anyone besides my boyfriend. I still get sexual advances by SOME men. Don't be blaming general groups of people. Those who contribute to the problem of rape should know who they are. Address your views to them, not to all women for MAKING them act like mad dogs.
Good point. We could even take that one step further and hold both sexes responsible for their behaviors, including the consequences of their behaviors.

Pregnant Bosses

Anthony Sprout - Most of us have had an experience with a pregnant wife, girlfriend, etc.

Sometimes their hormones get them into a funk worse than PMS. What could be worse than a boss in this condition? My 18 year old son walked out on a McDonald's job under a verbal barrage from one such female. Micky D's wasn't his career choice, but we both maintained he needed the work experience for future job applications. Anyone who has worked fast food knows how lousy these jobs are, but he stuck it out for a year until this bimbo felt she no longer needed to control her hormones.

I haven't seen any similar stories on the Web and thought this should be passed along and hashed out. Perhaps this could be classified as some form of harassment? Imagine a scenario where a PMSing or pregnant boss starts an unreasonable argument and fires an employee, or as in this case causes an employee to walk out. How could this be proven. Actually I'd like to know how women prove sexual harassment? Is it the employee's word against the boss's?

Funny if it wasn't true

Stu Wieneke - Here's a little story for your amusement...

One of the guys at work had to retire recently, due to a bad heart condition. He still comes back to visit us once in awhile, just to keep us posted. He complained that his wife wasn't dealing with his medical problems too well, almost as if she refused to believe he was really as sick as he was. When the first disability check finally came in the mail, he was surprised to find that it was substantially more than he expected. Happily, he showed it to his wife.

"We'll get by pretty good on this, won't we !" he told her. She took one look at the check, and began to cry miserably.

"NOW what's wrong ?" he asked her.

She held up the check, and sobbed, "I didn't realize you were THIS SICK!"

The story would be funny if it wasn't true!

web site

Melissa - When i e-mailed you in January i did so because i thought your papers on 'new chivalry', and such, were very good....when you finally got a chance to return my e-mail the other day i thought that was really decent...thank you very much.

but when i went to your new web site, i was blown out of the water....i had no idea that your original papers were headed in the direction of a web site like the one that you have developed. ....i love it, as well as the Redmond rose stuff....thank you for taking the time to put "typical corporate amerika" on the web and to explain how destructive it is.....thank you, thank you, thank you.

i have added links to your site[s] from mine.....still under construction, this site, The Secret Order of Chaos, is a more all-encompassing attack on what has been happening over the last 50 years nationwide as well as worldwide. your site fit right in.

Once again, thank you.

A special link

Richard Esposito - Nice website, I easily believe it all.

Mr. Doyle's Mens Manifesto is, in my opinion, the most needed literature on the web for all men. It is the one paper that sums up the position of the men's movement perfectly. Is there anything you can do with it to help us. How about one special link direct to the Manifesto?

Today's typical male is abused and brainwashed, and can never win this war unless we gain the support of these men: only the Manifesto can snap them out of it.

All men must read the Manifesto. Rich E.

Open letter to the Toronto Star

Ted Greenfield - Women worse off if they get support, Star 04/10/97.

It is very obvious to all whom read Stats Can report, in Today's Star "Women usually take financial loss in separation," that women must demand that Alan Rock change the process of divorce, especially those single moms whom must refuse all supports payments.

Even more convincing is the article by Elaine Carey - Toronto Star Demographics Reporter, whom uncategorically states "The news was even worse for women receiving support. Their after-tax incomes fell 29 per cent in one year and if they were single mothers, the drop was one-third".

Alan rock are you listening. Why are you abusing women with Bill C-41 and other regressive legislation regarding support payments.

A few general comments from the editor

One writer asked how I feel about hiring for gender balance. AA, that sort of thing. I've always been in favor of hiring procedures that are blind to irrelevant attributes. I would like to see a four-step hiring process.

First step would be to confirm each candidate's credentials, make sure they are who they say they are.

Second step is to transfer all this information onto a numbered application that hides the identity of the candidate.

Third, each candidate will be evaluated solely on the basis of his or her qualifications.

Fourth, hire each qualifying applicant on the basis of how they fared compared to other candidates.

Another idea I like is to substitute an apprenticeship for the third phase of the hiring process. My preference here is simple to explain: I don't interview well, but, in every case where I have started out in a position as a temporary employee, I have always proved myself well-qualified.

Just because I write about these issues from a less than "liberal" perspective doesn't mean I don't understand the issues -- racism is also a problem, and as a member of the Cowlitz Indian tribe, I've experienced my share of it.

And thanks to everyone who wrote asking about the disappearance of The Backlash! I don't have time to publish all your email, but I deeply appreciate your encouragement.

Warmest regards, rod

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